satisfaction of buying it immediately. >> charlie: did you have... i mean, if you look at the role that you play today, one of the leading technology companies, do you wish you had a different kind of experience? or did you have in your judgment looking back the best possible kind of experience? >> you know, i think the best possible kind of experience in the following way. what drove me to ebay was pierre told me he had two criteria of success. >> charlie: he's no longer running it. >> one is that he wanted to measure ebay's sccess on how do we positively hundreds of millions of people's lives through trade. two, he wanted to do it over decades. he was crystal clear he wanted to build an enduring company. he said to me, john, i don't want just a hospital company. i want one that endures 20, 30, 40, years. to do that he stepped back. he did what many founders do. there are brilliant founders that have grown their companies enormously beings pierre because he wanted it to endure.